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Out of Feature in the Gradebook

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My teachers would love it if the gradebook had an "out of option".  This feature would be beneficial to all areas of the gradebook (assignments, rubrics, and assessments).  

Basic Idea:  Raw scores can be entered into the gradebook and converted into the "out of" scores.  This feature would allow a teacher to create an assignment that is worth 13 points - using the "out of" feature, the teacher might want this assignment to be worth 20 points.  The computer would calculate these scores to appear out of 20 instead of the 13 raw score points.  

 

Here are a few examples from my teachers:  

  1. When entering grading columns or assignments, the teacher has the option to enter the total number of points. There is an additional grading option called “factor”, but if I enter anything besides 1, there is no change. I REALLY want to be able to give an assignment for how many questions I need to, then be able to convert the score directly in Schoology. Example: 13 questions on an assignment, but have the assignment only worth 10 points in the gradebook.

 

2.  I would like to be able to set the total points of an assignment just like I can with an assessment.  When creating an assessment that may be worth 8 points, I can use the "gear" to edit the total points for this assignment.  In the Gradebook score notation, I can see both the raw score and the gradebook score.  For example, the 8 point assessment will be entered into the gradebook as a 10 point assignment.  I would like this same feature for an assignment or even for a Rubric that I may be using in Schoology.   

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    Charles Black Official comment

    Hi Barbara,

    Thank you for posting your ideas! Per the Feature Idea Guidelines, please keep your feature posts to 1 idea per post. This benefits the community, and you, by allowing ideas to be voted on and more easily searched for in the community.

     

    That being said, I want to clarify your second piece of feedback regarding total points on assignments:

    • > Currently, total points can be set for Assignments from the Assignment Settings (Click Edit on the assignment)

    • > Once a student submits the assignment and you grade it, you can see the 'raw' score and the total points within the assignment, similar to the way you see this in a Test/Quiz or Assessment

    If your goal is to change the way this information is visualized in Schoology, please create a NEW Feature Idea (separate from this one) and please clarify the vision for these improvements. Additionally, posting one idea per Feature Idea post will help us track support in the form of votes and also allow other Schoologites to easily find and support your individual ideas.

    Thank you in advance for clarifying and helping us streamline the community!

    Charles
    Knowledge Management & Community Specialist
    Schoology, Inc.

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    Jillian Watkins

    This would be SO helpful!  I think she was presenting only one idea, but comments from two different teachers as to why it would be helpful.  I have used another learning management system in the past that has the "out of" feature, and it seems like it would be a basic function of a digital gradebook.  We should be able to have an assignment that we grade out of 13 points, for example, but we can enter into the gradebook out of 10 (WITHOUT having to enter a factor of .7692307692...) AND have it show up for students out of 10, not 13.

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    Mrs. Maffei

    This feature would be so helpful for our students!

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    Robert Rose

    YES!!! This is the main problem for me in Schoology!

    When giving a quick assessment - I need to be able to have assignments worth whatever amount of "questions" or "points" I need or want to assess - not out of a predetermined number. Our previous system let us create assignments for whatever amount of questions or points were needed - then let us make the assignment worth 10 or 20 or 30 points. 

    For example - All quizzes can't be out of 10 or twenty points in their raw form, but we should be able to assign how many points the quiz is worth. As Ms. Watkins said - this should be a logical feature of any digital gradebook - it should automatically calculate this way!

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    Sarah Crue

    This would be a grade addition to the gradebook!

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    Thomas Keller

    Yes, this needs to be a feature of the gradebook!  Digital gradebooks from 15 years ago had this feature; it is fundamental and important.  Trying to compensate for a lack of this feature by using "factor" is cumbersome and does not provide students with accurate feedback. 

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    Charles Black

    Looking for more clarification regarding this idea...

    It appears that "Assignments" and "Assessments" are used interchangeably in many of the descriptions/comments posted.

    To clarify, Barbara's original post shows that it is possible to set the total points for an Assessment in her screenshot.

    If the screenshots of total points possible for Assignments in my previous post are not what the request is stating, can anyone provide more details about the intended goals and a use case or scenario that can help us to understand this Feature Idea?

    Thank you all for your participation and help! 

    Charles, Schoology Team

    Edited by Charles Black
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    Robert Rose

    Charles - Thank you for asking for clarification!

    So - let's say I have two classwork assignments on two different days.

    Day one is a graded class discussion that is graded on a 4 point rubric.

    Day two is group work, with a graded written summary of the progress of the group - this is graded with  
    a different rubric of 5 points. 

    I want both days' work to "count" the same in the grade book - but as it stands now, the second counts more than the first in the grade book toward the total grade. 

    The raw score would be the "out of 4" score on day one and the "out of 5" score on day two, but I need the two days to both count for let's say,
    20 points. Schoology should be able to convert the scores to "out of twenty" electronically, in much the same way it does now with the assessments.
    Both days would count for the same classwork grade total, even though the raw scores are different. Right now the point box automatically fills with the rubric score. I should be able to choose the grading rubric, and then place whatever total points I wish into the points possible box, regardless of the rubric or scoring method used. 

    This isn't just a way to "visualize" the score, it is a way to make the scores more equitable.

    It seems I can only do this with quizzes and tests that are taken directly on the Schoology platform.
    I just gave a test with paper and pencil in class last week, multiple choice, short answer, and essay. The point total on the test equals 
    48 points. I want the test to equal 60 points in the gradebook, but I can't do that when I enter this as a grade column, or as I said previously an assignment. 

    This was always a feature available in both electronic grade books I had previously used. 

    Does that make better sense?

    I reread Barbara's post again - and I get what she means - we should be able to make any assignment worth what we deem it to be worth, not simply because of the amount of questions or what the rubric says. 

    I hope this clarifies!!!!

    Chris Rose 

    Hereford High

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    Charles Black

    Hey Chris,

    Thank you for providing more detail regarding this request, it has helped us better understand the overall vision for this idea. I've made an internal note of the feedback you've provided here to help us to better understand the goals for this Feature Idea.

    I also wanted to mention that for your 'paper & pencil' scenario, we recently released a feature called Observational Grading that may help in this situation. This feature allows you to enter grades for printed Schoology Assessments or, assessments that you give entirely outside of Schoology into the Assessment interface and thus, into the Schoology Gradebook. In this way, you can provide any point total for the instance of the assessment, but enter it into the gradebook in whichever way you want the test to calculate. For more information, please review the Help Article linked above.

    Let us know if Observational Grading can help in this situation, and thanks again for your feedback!

    Charles, Schoology Team

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    Robert Rose

    Thank you Charles - Observational grading is great for assessments - but for assignments - such as a classwork / homework assignment - I want to easily grade out of 100 pts - since that is the grading framework that my school system has elected to stay with. But I don't want every assignment to be "worth" 100 points. 

    For example - I give an assignment every other week - students receive an non-fiction article related to the course content in some interesting way. The students are to annotate the article by hand using strategies that have been taught in our school. Then they are to write a two paragraph TheySay-ISay response - which can be turned in on line in Schoology or by hand. I can quick grade these assignment both out of 100 points - and I get a total of say 180 points. BUT i don't want this assignment WORTH 180 points - in fact the highest point total for anything including assessments would never be that high. Instead, I want this 180 point grade to COUNT for 30 points as a homework assignment. Both of my previous electronic gradebooks have let me set the "out of" feature to a certain point level, and the gradebook automatically changes the "180" when I enter it to a "27". The students sees the 27/30 as their grade, even though I graded it both papers separately out of 100 points. 

    Maybe that makes this clearer...

    Chris 

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    Charles Black

    Hi Chris,

    Thanks for adding more detail to this idea. We will continue to collect votes and comments in this post for support of this feature idea. 

    Thanks to everyone for providing your support and clarification!

    Charles, Schoology Team

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    Crystal Lynch

    Hi Charles,

    This is something many teachers in our county are looking for!! In our previous system the calculation in the gradebook when we typed in the "out of" score was done automatically within the gradebook. I think when you are saying teachers can enter any point total they'd like, yes they can, and we do see that, but it is a lot of work for teachers to calculate grades out of 180 points total and then recalculate them again out of say 200 points that they want the assignment to be "worth" or weighted within the gradebook if that makes sense. So they grade an assignment and a student gets 132/180. They want that score to be out of 200. They want the system to calculate that same grade percentage our of 200 and not 180 if that makes sense. For teachers to do all of this themselves changing the total score to what it would be out of 200 is way to much work for them when we know that a computer grading system can do it for them like our old LMS did. Our teachers don't use factoring which I know does the same thing solely because the true score does not show up for students or parents. They would like the new score to show up for students and parents out of 200 not 180 if that makes sense. Hope that helps some? 

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